A great summary of the position of the Left

22 08 2005

Here is a great exchange between an online comic artist and someone who disliked that he was using his comic for lefty commentary. The resulting email exchange is fascinating.
Mad pr0pz to Fraterrisus for this link.

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22 08 2005
Joseph Ottinger

It’s fascinating, but… the problem is that the original poster and the artist both claim that the ideas are the sole property of their side, whichever side that is.
It’s not the side of the left or the right that supports individuals. Further, some of his examples of Republican behaviour are a little off – quoting Marbury v. Madison is all well and good, except the Republicans of Jefferson’s day ended up being the Democrats of today (through renaming the party), which would actually kinda defeat the artist’s whole point, taken from his position on the soapbox.
Universal suffrage is, from my perspective, a travesty. Should women and blacks be able to vote? God, I hope so! But felons? No. A felon has demonstrated a lack of willingness to participate as a citizen. On an individual basis, citizenship can be granted to felons, but as a rule: no.
Going back to history, note that freedom for slaves was an act of… a republican president. I don’t think Lincoln was a conservative in some ways. (Good for him, BTW. Conservatism as a rule is stupid.)
The place where I think the artist goes astray is in his stridency: fine, he dislikes Bush, no problems there. But he then takes that and abstracts it to SIDES, saying “liberals think this” and “conservatives think THAT,” and decides that all republicans are conservatives and all democrats are liberals.
It ain’t so.
Note that by his definition, I’m a flamin’ liberal, although I’m usually considered a conservative.
But it’s darn entertaining, granted. 🙂

22 08 2005
Matt Ringel

I’m on the other side of giving felons franchise, after they’ve served their time. If you are governed by the rules of the society, and you are punished by the rules of the society, and you take the punishment as meted out by society, then you get as much say as anyone else in that society, once you return to society.
Permanent marginalization is not the way to re-integrate felons back into society, once they’ve done their time.

22 08 2005
Chip

What he (Ringel) said.
Thanks for the link; I may find it handy.

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